Evil Abortion Pill Destroys World
Davey’s weird yank to the Right this Election year continues unabated. This time it’s dog whistling to the Religious Right with a seemingly innocuous post about the Morning After Pill. Of course, as DPF planned, the thread recklessly plunged off-track as a group of males (well mostly) waded onto a discussion about Abortion. Let’s just clear this up: The Morning After Pill is a high-dose contraceptive pill. That’s it. A Contraception Pill. It has exactly the same impact on a woman’s body as regular contraception only, because of the level of the dosage, it’s more likely to prevent a pregnancy from happening. To the religious right, the Morning After Pill is equivalent to abortion because “life commences at conception”. But to the rest of us, especially those who appreciate the biology of pregnancy and how frequently a normal women loses fertilised eggs (zygotes) before they implant successfully - if you were going to talk about the start of a pregnancy, you’d talk about pregnancy being from time the zygote successfully implants itself into the uterine wall. The Morning After Pill is not abortion. It’s just a medical means of upping the chances of either preventing ovulation or having a period even if your partner managed to fertilize an unattached egg.
Tags: right-wing mindset
May 7, 2008 at 12:41 am
DPF has been shilling for the religious right for some time. He’s been involved with the sensible sentencing trust’s EFA campaigning and in doing survey work for family first and he’s been doing so at the behest of the Nats as part of a parallel campaign. Davey is a shill for the right and he’s so desperate to see a nat victory that he’ll do anything to see a win - even if it means getting in bed with christian bigots. Anything for power.
There are times I feel sick for using his pic for my avatar. Even ironically. He is scum but the funny thing is he’ll be disposed of once he’s of no use. House slave…
May 7, 2008 at 1:05 am
Folks, just to let you know what a smear this post is, Farrar is pro-choice, against capital punishment, has no problem with gay marriage, and as far as I can tell is an atheist, or at the very least extremely tolerant of all religions besides his own. So he basically disagrees with christian fundamentalists on the issues that defines christian fundamentalism.
And now Kiwiblogblog wants you to believe he is secretly enticing the Far Right. Umm, with what exactly boys? His heterosexuality?
In his post, Farrar has no problem with no parental consent getting the morning after pill. No problem with children taking the morning after pill. No problem counseling 14 year olds on safe sex.
His sole point is that it might be better that these kids talk to a doctor when getting the morning after pill.
Which spurs Kiwiblogblog to annouce, apparently on Farrar’s behalf, “Evil Abortion Pill Destroys World”.
Another wholly dishonest smear from Kiwiblogblog.
May 7, 2008 at 1:33 am
Fag smeller persuviant Chuck B has sniffed the sex in the internets ether and declared that
“Someone earlier mentioned free condoms instead - not as sexy at the time, but they prevent all the STD’s that create infertility later on - something else to consider.”
That is simply not true. The sexual revolution started with the pill as condoms were unreliable in preventing pregnancies. They are also unreliable in preventing STDs. if one is determined to have sex with someone who they have no idea of their sexual health status it is of course better to use a condom. Hopwever, it is far safer to only have sex with someone you are quite sure does not have any STDs.”
Dave has whistled up the usual crew, cretins.
May 7, 2008 at 2:02 am
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May 7, 2008 at 3:10 am
Marvellous thread over at Davey’s about this one. I particularly liked this contribution:
“We, as a society, should be encouraging girls (if they choose to have sex at all) to at least have the baby. “
At least? Oh yeah, no problem, matey! She’ll just pop another one out for you! Now… it’s out… fancy actually paying for it? No? What a surprise!
Wingnut.
Anyway, as someone who’s bacon has been saved on more than a couple of occasions by the morning after pill (back in my misspent youth-to-mid-20s), I’m not exactly an unbiased judge on this issue.
However it does appeal to my common sense (and to knowledge of biology) to see it as no different to any other sort of contraceptive pill. Therefore, an on-demand system seems like the sensible course.
May 7, 2008 at 4:07 am
It IS abortion….Every Sperm is Sacred.
I think kiwitoffee is right
“When are people going to realise that sex is not about having fun? ”
Exactly.
May 7, 2008 at 9:57 am
“When are people going to realise that sex is not about having fun?”
It’s not often I get rendered speechless, but that little bewdy has done the trick… wtf?
May 7, 2008 at 12:36 pm
When are people going to realise that sex is not about having fun?
Thanks for your opinion.
Others disagree. It isn’t your place to tell them they’re wrong.
May 7, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I didn’t have too many issues with DPF’s post (for a change) but some of the comments afterwards were just unfathomable and illogical.
The “MAP = abortion” line of reasoning can only make sense if conception always (always!) occurs within 12 hours of sex regardless of ovulation cycle. Needless to say, it doesn’t — conception, on the odd occasion that it occurs, can happen up to 5 days later. If you take the MAP before then, you ain’t aborting *nothing*.
Following this thinking to an absurd degree, then every menstrual cycle a woman has is actually an abortion (who knew?) and — good wives, take note — unless you’re currently fecund in your naughty lady parts, then for the love of God DO NOT LET YOUR HUSBANDS USE YOUR BODY.
Never let the facts get in the way of an argument about sexual health!
May 7, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Agree Cheezy. My computer doesn’t like Kiwiblog, so I can’t load the thread…not a bad thing.
But you know what I think about the forced pregnancy brigade. It will be a happy day when the Right start to care about a life AFTER it is outside the womb. The only time you hear about them mentioning life after birth is in squawking about the death penalty, hitting kids, or imprisoning them.
I’m doing Youth Advocacy work ATM Cheezy, so don’t have time to blog. I hope to start again in the next couple of weeks.
May 7, 2008 at 10:00 pm
that’s a good post Ruth.
What great news that the MAP will be available through pharmacies. Personally, I don’t believe it will be used as a contraceptive and hopefully the pill(s) will come with a health warning like other pills.
The kiwiblog right are always ranting on about unwanted pregnancies and beneficiaries etc you’d think they’d be happy for once.
aladin
May 8, 2008 at 12:06 am
“My computer doesn’t like Kiwiblog, so I can’t load the thread…not a bad thing.”
Haha. Your computer must be an example of ‘artificial intelligence’ then, Ruth! I look forward to your next blog post but till then, good luck with that youth advocacy work.
“The kiwiblog right are always ranting on about unwanted pregnancies and beneficiaries etc you’d think they’d be happy for once.”
You would think that, yes. But in that strange, subterranean, parallel universe that they inhabit, a small congregation of unconscious cells seems vastly more important than a human being.
May 8, 2008 at 4:57 pm
“The kiwiblog right are always ranting on about unwanted pregnancies and beneficiaries etc you’d think they’d be happy for once.”
You would think that, yes. But in that strange, subterranean, parallel universe that they inhabit, a small congregation of unconscious cells seems vastly more important than a human being.
You are living in dream land, imcheezy. Not only does Farrar think abortions are ok, nobody in the thread on his post came out and said abortion should be illegal (although Hoolian, Kwitoffee and Scott said they do not like it - and not because cells = human life, but because they say it takes away personal responsibility).
Does anybody on this blog actually read Kiwiblog?
May 8, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Yes, mattbO2, I “read” kiwiblog, however, kiwiblogblog, the standard and newzblog have taken predendence. I don’t share Farrar’s humour and get annoyed with his grandstanding. Sonic and PhilU were my favourite commentators on kiwiblog btw.
aladin
May 9, 2008 at 12:20 am
Wow. I mean, I expected the conservative right to go on about this… but seriously? Obviously I was better off ignorant of how sexist some of them are over there. A woman weighs in and her opinion is immediately dismissed, despite the fact that none of the men will ever have any first-hand involvement with the morning after pill. Would you let a group of women cut you off from talking about facial hair? Or testicular cancer?
As for reading kiwiblog- when he ventures into sexist territory, I check him up, Matt. It reminds me why I’m writing
May 9, 2008 at 1:43 am
Ari, I’m not in the least bit surprised that the people who lurk at kiwiblog are restrained by their lack of experience on this matter; lack of knowledge, experience or insight has never stopped them before.
This is a somewhat vexed issue, one I’ve only secondary experience of, and although I have clear views, this forum is one where different perspectives and experiences are respected - particularly first hand experiences.
May 9, 2008 at 7:12 pm
The creepy thing about issues like this over on kiwiblog is, as you guys rightly point out, the comments. DPF can come off as quite reasonable, but because he structures his argument in a way that does not call into play the actual and immense context of women’s reproduction and the thorny history thereof (the “form” of the argument, if you will,) he creates the space for a polarized and simplistic debate that borders on name calling.
I have a big issue with DPF every time he opens his mouth (or typing fingers?) on anything to do with women. He always claims to be non-sexist but if he really was, or really cared, wouldn’t he take stock every time someone called him on it? Wouldn’t he want to make sure he didn’t act like a sexist even accidentally? I know if someone called me a racist, for example, I would take a good hard look at my behaviour - yet I’ve never even seen a comment from him which says “I see how this could be read as sexist, but…”
Essentially he refuses to acknowledge that we live, or have lived, in a patriarchal society, and this becomes extremely obvious whenever his context-less posts about women come up. I suppose he’s not a sexist - he’s just willfully ignorant.
May 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Oh, I’m not surprised that it happened mardy, I’m surprised that it happened so quickly or so obviously and that it went without the slightest challenge until I popped over.
Roby- you’re exactly correct, and this is how most sexists operate right now. The sad thing is, they really DO believe they’re not sexist, so when you try to explain it to them they get all the more defensive because they can’t stand the idea of adjusting their worldview to include that kind of personal failure, even if you start off along the lines that we’re ALL sexist or racist or homophobic in one way or another.